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March 28, 2009

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Dan Gardner

Bob, as the old saying goes, all publicity is good as long as they spell your name right: So spell my name right, dammit.

Somewhat more substantively, I agree that reducing the hideousness of remand is a logical consequence of my argument. But no one from your side of the aisle seems to be suggesting any such thing. Judges started giving sentencing discounts precisely because, over the years, more and more accused were kept in remand, the conditions got all the uglier, nothing ever changed, and the one and only thing judges can control is sentencing.

So, yes, you're right: the discount is a crappy response. But it's also a desperate response to a problem which politicians simply refuse to address. Eliminating the discount won't address it -- it will simply erase the overcrowding in remand as a political issue, ensuring the problem will steadily worsen.

So, how about agreeing on something we can all agree on? People accused of crimes should be brought to trial swiftly. And as a bonus, if we do that, this whole issue disappears.

And, yes, Bob, I do understand that court administration is handled by the provinces. Show me your law degree and I'll show you mine -- or maybe you could just spare me the condescension.

As everyone involved in justice knows, there is a huge amount of federal-provincial cooperation, as there has to be given that the whole enterprise is effectively a joint production. If a federal government is upset by sentence discounts, they can bring the provinces together to identify the sources of administrative congestion and work together to resolve them. Simple, pragmatic, sensible. But not politically sexy in the least, which might explain why the feds aren't doing it.

Bob Tarantino

Dan, apologies for the misspelling - the post has been updated and corrected. Feel free to refer to me as "Tarrnteno". One further correction:

"If a federal government is upset by sentence discounts, they can bring the provinces together to identify the sources of administrative congestion and work together to resolve them. Simple, pragmatic, sensible. But not politically sexy in the least, which might explain why the feds aren't doing it."

Yes, they are "doing it" - in fact, they have done *precisely* what you advocate that they do and accuse them of not doing. In September 2008, in Quebec City, the federal government convened a summit of all attorneys general from across Canada to discuss co-operation on procedural reforms. From that meeting emerged initiatives like the Ontario government's Justice on Target program. Simple? Pragmatic? Sensible? Yes, to all the above. Politically sexy? Nope. Which might explain why news coverage of it was negligible, resulting in misapprehensions like yours.

Mike H

"Judges started giving sentencing discounts precisely because, over the years, more and more accused were kept in remand, the conditions got all the uglier, nothing ever changed, and the one and only thing judges can control is sentencing."

That's misleading, because it creates the false impression that all accused persons who have been denied bail are desperate for a speedy trial.

Many accused persons, upon being denied bail, make the conscious decision to game the system, and the reason they do so is the 2 for 1 credit for dead time. If the accused is facing a federal penitentiary sentence, often, the motive is to reduce the amount of actual time that he/she must serve in the federal system. Criminals who have never served a federal sentence are often intimidated by the prospect of doing time with murderers and other extremely violent inmates. Similarly, some inmates who have served previous federal sentences are desperate to avoid returning to a federal institution, or, faced with no alternative, seek to minimize the length of their federal penitentiary stay.

In my experience, many accused persons who are held in pre-trial custody have no intention of running a trial. (unless they luck out, and can capitalize on the witness problems that occasionally crop up for the crown as a result of lengthy trial delays). In such cases, these individuals plead guilty many months after earlier opportunities to plead guilty have been waived, opportunities that would have expedited their transition out of detention centres and into correctional centres and federal penitentiaries.

Don't buy this one-sided tale of woe and victimization put forward by proponents of 2 for 1.

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