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Dan Gardner

Bob, you're being tendentious.

Of course the feds are working with the provinces on this. They're ALWAYS working together. I know civil servants who spend half their working days in fed-prov meetings.

But everyone knows that HOW a minister backs work matters enormously in a democracy.

If the minister gives public speeches, calls press conferences, pens op-eds, and otherwise tries to raise the public profile of the issue, he lets the bureaucracy know that the issue is a priority he is prepared to put political capital behind -- and that matters enormously to getting things done. But if the minister merely talks about the issue in an annual meeting with other ministers as point #13 on a 27-item agenda... well, that matters, too.

In fact, Bob, I'm quite sure pro-forma press releases of the sort you link to have been issued at a rate of one per year for many, many years -- years in which the problem of sclerotic justice got worse and worse and worse because ministers (Conservative and Liberal) have balked at the hard work and hard decisions needed.

And, Bob, calling me "negligent"? It's a scuzzy slur, nothing more. You're better than that.

Singles

Mr. Tarantino, has it been brought to your attention that you are so legal tender, and that you appear oblivious to this?

Dan Gardner

Bob, thanks for the apology. I know I've overstepped the bounds of civility at times. I also know how hard it is to be self-critical and apologize. It speaks well of anyone who does it.

Bob Tarantino

Dan - the post has been updated with an apology. But with respect to your argument, you're engaging in goalpost shifting. First, you (and Christie) said nothing was being done. Now, presented with evidence that something is, in fact, being done, you balk and say that it isn't sufficient. Since the federal government lacks constitutional authority in this area, the heavy lifting has to be (and is being) done by the provinces. Having the federal minister of justice call press conferences and write op-eds complaining about how slow judges are being would be a serious... let's call it an "innovation"... in protocol. The feds are providing funds. The feds are, as you demanded they do, working together with the provinces. Asking that they now do even more, in an area outside of their legislative competence, seems a bit much.

olaf

I'm quite clearly out of my depth here, but I'd just like to make a general point for what it's worth. Regarding the idea that it is the federal government's responsibility to push provincial administrative reforms forward, and that they should be focusing their energy there instead of areas where they have a constitutional mandate to affect change - when has this ever worked?

Provinces (some "beautiful provinces" in particular), guard their jurisdiction jealously, to the point of paranoia. In some provinces, that the federal government wants them to do something is often used as an argument to not do it.

The only examples I can think of where the federal government has successfully and substantially affected provincial policy isn't through exhortation, but through offering up gigantic wads of cash. Even the latter case is only marginally successful, as provincial agreements to act in a certain fashion in return for massive federal transfers is often lacking in any accountability mechanism (see the 2004 health accord, for example, also known (non-ironically, at the time) as the Health Care Fix for a Generation).

Indeed, the very fact that such discussions take place on a regular basis, and haven't appeared to have any discernible effect, seems to support the idea that the feds should focus their limited time where they can be most directly effective.

Dan Gardner

Bob, literalism may work in contractual disputes but it's not so helpful in the real world.

You name the issue and "something" is being done about it -- meetings, statements, whatever. Politicians routinely use this as a defence against charges of inaction. "Doing nothing? Why, no! It was Item #5 on the agenda at some obscure meeting. Look, it's mentioned in line 37 in this press release!"

Taken literally, this isn't "nothing." As a practical matter, however, it is nothing and deserves to be called such.

As for the notion that the provinces are taking care of what is a national phenomenon...well, they've been saying that for a couple of decades and the problem's gotten steadily worse. Which is to say, I'll believe it when I see it.

Bork For Chief Justice

I forget: is it section 91 or 92 of the Constitution Act which forbids provinces from raising any revenue whatsoever if it is earmarked for the court system?

The constitution isn't a list of suggestions, the powers are divided for a reason. If Ontario is OK with a lengthy waiting list, fine, if NL wants to use some of their oil revenue to cut court wait times then good for them. We all celebrate diversity here, yes?

The buck stops with the provinces on this one, not the feds, it's the law. Canada is founded upon principles which recognize the rule of law, says the first sentence of the preamble to the Charter, and flaunting the most organic of laws every time a policy discussion crops up suggests to me a failed state.

Bob Tarantino

literalism may work in contractual disputes but it's not so helpful in the real world

Yeowtch. And here I thought we were having such a pleasant conversation... ;o)

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