I like talking to interesting people; I also like reading interviews of interesting people. So, interviews are one of things I’ve long wanted to feature at this blog. This is the first of what will hopefully be a whole bunch.
I don’t remember the exact time I first met Damian Brooks, but it was almost certainly about four or five years ago at a gathering of Toronto-area bloggers. At the time, these affairs (I’m pretty sure this was before I managed to coin the term “blogstravaganza” to describe them) tended to be VRWC congregations at a downtown bar, with the first few minutes of discussion taken up with lots of “I really wouldn’t have guessed that you looked like that. We were conservative political bloggers writing at the tail end of more than a decade of Liberal government and amid the ongoing news coverage of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, so there was a bit of an insurrectionist stance at these get-togethers. Mostly, I was just happy to see that there were so many other people who were bald. Damian Brooks was one of them, so we got on famously and have continued to meet up for drinks and lunch over the years.
When I first met him, Damian was blogging mostly about politics (ah, political blogging – does anyone remember laughter?) at Babbling Brooks; subsequently, he started Canada’s biggest and best milblog, The Torch, which rather adroitly describes itself as “a group weblog focusing on the Canadian military”. Over the years The Torch has garnered considerable respect, from readers, Canadian Forces members and journalists, as a source for detailed, considered writing about the Canadian Forces and media coverage thereof.
A couple of years back Brooks mentioned to me that he had been talking to some people at the Department of National Defence about potentially going to Afghanistan as an imbedded blogger; I was surprised to hear about it – not so much that DND was interested, but that Brooks, who has a young family, was willing to go into a war zone… after all, blogging about the military is his hobby, not something he gets paid to do. Things were quiet about that proposal for a while, until in January 2009 I suddenly started seeing posts indicating that Damian was on his way to Kandahar Airfield. All of his posts about that trip are accessible in a list on the right-hand side of The Torch – here is the first one.
BT: Let's start at the end: having come back from Afghanistan and had a chance to digest everything you saw and heard over there, has anything you learned there changed your views from a policy or political perspective?; As an example, did you go there thinking "this is winnable" and come back thinking the same thing or something different?
DB: No, I don't think the experience really changed my big-picture opinions about Afghanistan and the necessity of the mission there. I still think the international community can and should help Afghanistan become a functioning state. Whether or not we will remains an open question - it's about staying power, and I'm not sure we have enough of that throughout the West.
BT: You've had a bit of experience in the CF [Canadian Forces] - at any point (say, when you were up in the helicopter);did you think to yourself "damn, this is something I should have stuck with", or was your reaction more along the lines of "oh my god, I'm glad I got out of this and I couldn't imagine being over here permanently"?
DB: I have little "man, I miss the military" moments all the time. Post 9-11, I had hundreds of little talks with myself about getting back in, either as Reg Force [Regular Force] or as a Reservist. But I've come to the conclusion that I can actually contribute more and maintain a better work/home balance doing what I do. I get e-mails and phone calls regularly from serving members who say "thanks for saying what we can't." That's pretty gratifying. I couldn't communicate the way I do if I had a DND [Department of National Defence] leash on me. But yes, I do miss certain aspects of it. As a friend of mine says, "The company of soldiers is a tonic to the soul."
BT: Did you get a chance to speak to any of the other journalists you were there with about their craft? If so, what did you pick up from them in terms of writing or reporting? What was your general sense of them - were they individuals who had a particular interest in the military or foreign affairs, or was this just one assignment in a string of assignments for them?
DB: The trip was officially called a Regional Media Familiarization Visit, so I went over with three paid journalists from smaller markets (Barrie, Kingston, Quebec City). Ian Elliott from the Whig-Standard has the military as one of his regular beats, but this was only part of what all of them do in the way of reporting. Of course, nobody other than Graeme Smith gets to spend enough time over there to have it become commonplace or "normal." So it was a big opportunity for them. We really didn't bump into any of the embedded media other than Darah Hansen from CanWest, who seemed quite nice and very naturally curious - a good thing in a reporter, I suspect. I wouldn't make nearly as good a reporter as they do, but the CF and this particular mission are something I care deeply about, and something I know a bit more than the average Canadian about - including most journalists. So I was like Brer Rabbit in the briar patch. The biggest difference for me is that I realized once again that blogging isn't the same as MSM journalism: it's more subjective, has different conventions, and - this is the big one - there are no editors or producers breathing down your neck as a blogger, telling you what's worthy of a story and what's not.
BT: Do you think your own writing style changed as a result of this trip? I thought your writing in the two-part "Patrol" posts was brilliant - you had this really detailed, granular approach to the reporting that really conveyed a sense of place. Blogging generally doesn't lend itself to "reportage"-style writing like that, so was that something you'd been working on? Are you approaching your writing in a different way now that you've returned?
DB: Thanks for your kind words about my "Patrol" posts - I'm pretty proud of those. I don't know that I did anything consciously different for those than I would normally. It's just that most of the time, when I'm sitting at a desk in Canada, I'm not doing primary-source reporting. I'm generally playing whack-a-mole with the MSM reporting, or adding context to an existing story, or something else that involves building on someone else's work. So, for me, the big difference between my Afghanistan posts and the rest of my work on the blog isn't so much the style as it is the opportunity to put first-hand experiences forward for a change.
BT: I thought one of the most interesting stories you blogged about was the training work that Kevin Cluett was doing for Afghan prison guards, which afforded readers an opportunity to see a process that's very much "in the background" of what Canadians envision about our mission. I imagine that one of the primary goals of the military mission is to create the "breathing space" that enables more prosaic programs like the guard-training one to be carried on - did you get a sense from either Cluett or anyone else you spoke with that that goal was being achieved/is achieveable in the short- to medium-term? Or is there a sense that Cluett's work is very nice but once NATO forces leave it will all be for naught and the on-the-ground results of these sorts of civil society programs are going to disperse really quickly?
DB: Everyone on the ground seems to understand that Afghans will have to be the ones to solve their problems eventually. As the Deputy Commanding Officer of the Task Force, Col Cade said "Our job is to buy time for the Afghans." And we're doing that. But the question is whether or not we're going to be able to buy enough time for their institutions to get set up and functioning at even basic sustainment levels before we leave. So one of the things a guy like Kevin Cluett is doing is training sharp students of his to become trainers themselves. There were a couple in the class I watched who were acting as assistant instructors, and when we pull out, they'll have to step in, ready or not.
BT: What were the reactions of those around you when they heard you were taking your trip? Not immediate family, but co-workers, friends, etc. Did all of them know about your blogging and the connection of the trip to The Torch? Were they apprehensive for your safety, excited, interested, think you were nuts, etc.?
DB: I only let a few co-workers know about the trip beforehand. Due to the restrictions from DND in what I could talk about, it just seemed easier that way. The reactions when I got back were the full range you'd expect: from "you're nuts" to "wow, that must have been incredible!" The friends who knew about the trip were apprehensive and worried, but they also know how important the work is to me, and how long and hard I'd been trying to get over there. But given how stressful it was for everyone who cared about me, I don't think I'll be going back anytime soon.
BT: Did Afghanistan strike you as a place you'd want to travel to again? I don't mean another trip to visit the CF, I mean, can you ever envision yourself or other people wanting to visit Afghanistan as a destination in itself? Or does the current state of the country make that seem like a bit of a pipe dream?
DB: It's funny, I was actually telling relatives last night that I'd love to go back one day when the country's more safe for travel and do a bit of hiking in the mountains. The landscape is beautiful in a very stark sort of way. But it's going to be quite awhile before that's a realistic proposition, and I might be a bit too old to really rough it by then.
BT: Milblogging really hasn't taken off in Canada to quite the same extent as it has in the States - what are your thoughts on that? Is it the result of an institutional mindset at the CF, a broader cultural thing among Canadians, or is it just that the numbers aren't there (i.e., in the US you have more citizens in the Armed Forces on a per capita basis)?
DB: I think it's all those things you mentioned plus at least one other: the legal climate. CF members are far more legally constrained in their speech than their American counterparts. One of my hopes in setting up the blog in the first place was to be first into the pool, and saying "the water's warm, come on in!" Unfortunately, it hasn't worked out that way.
BT: Let's talk about blogging in general - you evolved from a sort of general "political" blogger into a milblogger - in terms of your own personal development, do you think that, if the Afghanistan mission were to end tomorrow, would the motivations behind your work on The Torch cease? In other words, is The Torch a function of concerns arising out of media reporting on Afghanistan, or will it have a life beyond the conflict itself?
DB: No, I can't see the blog winding down with the Afghan mission, whenever that may be. We talk about the CF because not enough media do in any sort of informed way. That need isn't going to cease with the end of the Afghan mission; in fact, it might actually increase. If the MSM stops taking as much of an interest because we're not fighting a shooting war, it will leave a lot of slack for those of us who focus on the CF to pick up. And it will be especially important at that point. Remember, part of the reason for the "decade of darkness" that Gen Hillier spoke of was that the Canadian public didn't understand or appreciate what the CF was doing for the country during the Chretien years. And that ignorance and apathy on the part of the voter is what allowed the Liberals to cut the CF to the bone. I don't want to see that happen again.
BT: A fair amount of blogging, especially "political" blogging, tends to be reactive: "I read this in the paper and here's why I thought it sucked". Your trip to Afghanistan was obviously of quite a different nature - adopting a more proactive, forward stance. Any thoughts on whether that's something you're going to pursue in the future? Do you have either the inclination or the time to pursue a more journalistic/reportage approach at The Torch?
DB: Unfortunately, I don't have the time to devote to doing a lot of proactive digging, so The Torch is more of a counter-puncher by necessity. When we can do original reporting, we will. But the bread and butter of the blog will likely remain rebutting or adding context to MSM pieces.
Despite their protestations, one side of the discussion is not arguing in favour of saving "the news", they are arguing in favour of saving "the existing mechanisms by which the news is delivered". Those are two entirely separate arguments. There might be a cogent argument which shows that the "existing mechanisms for delivery" are the only way to provide "the news", but I haven't seen that - instead it's just an unquestioned (if latent) assumption.
As Matthew Gertner plaintively asks, "Can you imagine a world without the well-crafted prose of the Economist or New York Times, without the type of informed journalism that depends on the deployment of trained professionals across the globe? I certainly can’t." Which perfectly illustrates the mindset I'm talking about: why is it that "informed journalism" necessarily requires the Economist or New York Times, with their respective massive cash-eating organizations and physical footprints? If the "news" industry *really* can't imagine a world without them and, to take an example, a giant Times Square headquarters, then it will expire not just because of a creaking infrastructure, but because of a failure of imagination.