« "It was a different story" | Main | Under Arrest - Update 06.03.07 »

June 01, 2007

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341c006253ef00d8358142d569e2

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference "It was a different story":

Comments

Shere Khan

Nice catch Bob. 30 years ago we would have sucked it up as the truth.

Bastards.

Dana

So there's no hockey stick to the data? Or maybe the rate of increase is decreasing?!
'since the United Kingdom enacted a handgun ban in 1997, gun crime offences have soared.'
As in every state south of us that bans handguns, in a minority position as 38 or 39 states now have shall issue laws. Armed citizens is not a bad thing.
Dana

WL Mackenzie Redux

It's not a matter of "messing up"...firearm stat misquotes and misinterpretations in the Star is contrived and purposeful.

Having been involved in the politics of lawful/responsible civilian firearms use for 2 decades, I can state the the eastern media and particularly the GTA print media (epitomized by the Star and G&M), are viral civil disarmament utpoians...they routinely spread disinformation and have a running pipeline to Canada's prime anti-gun zealot Wendy Chukier.

The mindset of of the utopian editorial staff is that the perfect anthill society will come about with a disarmed civilian population under a fully armed statist martialism...creepy at best but they sell this Orwellian dream as "enlightenment" and "progressivist"...it is infact uncivil and promotes the dystopian concept of guit by association...hunters have guns...criminals have guns so hunters must be criminals in waiting...arrest them all.

The number of times I have personally caught the Star in an outright lie about firearms statistics and called them on it is too numerous to count...they never apologize and never print a retraction where a firearms stat is a misdirect or proven erronious.

The Star has lied by twisting statistcs for years and frankly, anyone who buys it to read it, other than the want ands and use it for packing material, is civilly/socially retarded.

WL Mackenzie Redux

It's not a matter of "messing up"...firearm stat misquotes and misinterpretations in the Star is contrived and purposeful.

Having been involved in the politics of lawful/responsible civilian firearms use for 2 decades, I can state the the eastern media and particularly the GTA print media (epitomized by the Star and G&M), are viral civil disarmament utpoians...they routinely spread disinformation and have a running pipeline to Canada's prime anti-gun zealot Wendy Chukier.

The mindset of of the utopian editorial staff is that the perfect anthill society will come about with a disarmed civilian population under a fully armed statist martialism...creepy at best but they sell this Orwellian dream as "enlightenment" and "progressivist"...it is infact uncivil and promotes the dystopian concept of guit by association...hunters have guns...criminals have guns so hunters must be criminals in waiting...arrest them all.

The number of times I have personally caught the Star in an outright lie about firearms statistics and called them on it is too numerous to count...they never apologize and never print a retraction where a firearms stat is a misdirect or proven erronious.

The Star has lied by twisting statistcs for years and frankly, anyone who buys it to read it, other than the want ands and use it for packing material, is civilly/socially retarded.

L.J. Brooks

I was reading the Brit papers last week (Sunday Times and Sunday Telegraph) and one of them mentioned that in Feb 07 there were seven handgun related murders in London! That's right seven in one month. Doesn't sound like a drop myself.

bigcitylib

Seems to me you are quibbling. Most of the firearms involved in the increased firearms numbers are IMITATION weapons, as I read the report. So the increase is just a result of the fact that for the U.K. police firearms include fake firearms.

Raging Ranter

Good catch. The media, and CP in particular, has been getting away with this bullshit for years. With the advent of blogging, they can't get away with deliberately misrepresenting the facts quite so easily. I've seen CP make exactly these types of generalizations and fudging of the facts before. And CTV has often pulled the same kind of stunt - not surprising since many of their news executives are committed Liberals who actually booked time off during the last election to volunteer their expertise for the Liberal party. This little smudge job by CP is particularly disgusting though, because they're basically outright lying. Any of their apologists who attempt to defend them will have a tough time explaining why they changed the story so quickly.

JR

"Canadian Press: liars. And incompetent ones at that."

Bingo!!

Brad in Waterloo

Thanks for this. Good research resulting in a great dress down post.

Pat

It never ceases to amaze me that even in the face of cold hard facts that an armed citizen is the best defence against crime, the lefties still cry "Ban'em". They refuse to believe that criminals won't turn their guns in.

Either fools or very nasty people. Maybe very nasty fools. What else could it be?

gord

The Canadian Press has as much credibility as the Liberal Party. Makes sense as they are one and the same.

Mike H

“Seems to me you are quibbling. Most of the firearms involved in the increased firearms numbers are IMITATION weapons, as I read the report. So the increase is just a result of the fact that for the U.K. police firearms include fake firearms.”

Yes, but you read the report like a bigcitylib would read it. If you had actually read what the report said, instead of what you wanted it to say, you would have realized that offences involving imitation firearms accounted for only about 14% of the total firearms offences for the final year of the report (2004-05), and that 14% INCLUDED the anomalous looking 55% increase in imitation firearms offences from the previous year. (pg 71)

If you still have any doubts about the accuracy of your “quibbling” charge, have a look at Table 3b, on page 76 of the report.

The primary motivation cited by western governments for restricting the possession of firearms among the citizenry is to prevent death and serious injury arising from the criminal use of firearms. Since the British handgun ban took effect in 1998-99, deaths and serious injuries from firearms crimes have skyrocketed, and have remained far above the totals for the benchmark year of 1998-99 in each and every subsequent year.

In 1998-99, 49 persons were killed during crimes involving firearms, and 162 suffered serious injuries. In 2004-05, those numbers were 77 and 410 respectively. Clearly, the handgun ban has had no positive effect on the most consequential statistics for firearms related violence. In fact, things have gotten far worse. Whether this is directly related to the handgun ban is a matter for debate. In any event, the relative usage of imitation firearms is a non-factor.

Gary Mauser

The handgun ban didn't switch criminals to imitation handguns.

Home Office statistics show that since 1997 BOTH homicides and gun homicides have increased. Prior to 1997, there were around 700 homicides per year (1992-1996) in England, with approximately 54 involving a firearm. After 1997, homicides jumped to over 860 per year, with more than 60 with firearms (1998/99-2002/03). Over the most recent 5-year period reported by the Home Office (2001/02-2005/06), there was an average of over 850 homicides (with 68 gun homicides) per year.

It is true however that in the past few years, homicides have been declining. The peak of 1,047 was reached in 2002/03, with homicides dropping to 765 homicides in 2005/06. Nevertheless, more people are murdered each year now than before the 1997 handgun ban.

anonymous

Great work.....just more proof of the shoddy state of journalism in Canada.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been saved. Comments are moderated and will not appear until approved by the author. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment

Comments are moderated, and will not appear until the author has approved them.

Twitter Updates

    follow me on Twitter