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Bob & Ulli

That's an amazing piece of in-depth analysis, Mr. Tarantino. You do not assume that your readers are stupid. Your commentary is based on solid facts, researched and communicated. You will never get a job in journalism in Canada. Good for you.

Barcs

Yes very well done.

I am very annoyed with the media lately. I understand that it is hard to analyze and pull evidence from a long paper into a short article.

But more and more after finding the long paper and reading it. And comparing it to the article written.

I stand there scratching my head and saying... this isn't what that says.

I wonder why blogs like this are becoming more popular and the media less so....hmmmm?

Roy Eappen

Great post. The mop and pail is now just a fiberal mouthpiece. I am going to try and come on Saturday. Hope to see you there.

anonymous

Didn't Rob Nicholson say in the House today that the appointments were made by the committee set up by the previous Liberal government??? I'm sure I heard that, and then he said, so what's their problem???

Adam D

great post.

D

It's nice to finally get the other side of the story.

Werner Patels

Well done. I've written about it too, and I am not too pleased with the likes of John Ibbitson and other media types.

The Liberals have been doing this for decades, but when a Conservative does it, it's "perverted" (in the words of Ibbitson).

I'm disgusted.

Paul O

Well done!

I was very disappointed with CTV during today's "Mike Duffy Live", where Robert Fife (CTV Ottawa Bureau Chief, if I recall correctly) suggested that it's clear the Conservatives are intent on "stacking the bench". Much later in the show, he mentioned in passing that a significant majority (if not all) of the Liberal appointments to (I believe he said) the Federal bench had donated to the Liberals.

Mike H

One of your best, Bob.

Just when I think I've become enured to the anti-conservative mantra so deeply entrenched in much of the Canadian media, the bastards manage to raise the bias bar a notch higher.

Jim Whyte

I have to take issue with one thing here, Bob -- the Minister cannot appoint his dog. Under Ss. 97-98 of the British North America Act, appointees to the higher courts have to be members of the Bar.

To date, no dog has passed the Bar examination in any Canadian province. Now, this is clearly evidence of systemic discrimination, because dogs make up approximately 6% of the Canadian population (slightly higher on Ladies Nights) while making up less than 1% of the Bar.

In order for the Bar to better represent the leg-humping community, the exam requirements -- particularly that one about the opposable thumb, which unfairly handicaps persons of fur -- should be modified, and more dogs given a second chance on the exam.

The sooner this happens, the better off we will be, as dogs will see themselves in the judiciary; dogs involved in proceedings will not be intimidated by all the people around them; and dog judges (by which I mean dog judges, not dog-judges) will become role models for other persons of fur.

[serious bit] Good post, Bob...the agenda in this reporting is unmistakable.[/serious bit]

Kathy Shaidle

Great Post!

Mike H

By the way Bob, here's an example of someone the Libs felt was "suitable" for appointment to a Judicial Advisory Committee:

From the Toronto Star archives:

"IN 1988, when Liberal Attorney-General Ian Scott asked me to serve on the first Judicial Appointments Advisory Committee, I was suspicious. Until that moment, the appointing of Ontario judges had been a behind-the- scenes boondoggle, a cozy buddy system. Every now and then, the system tapped someone magnificent on the shoulder; more often a mediocre hack was plucked from the ranks; occasionally, a chap chosen for political reward was a downright, bigoted boor. Could this entrenched custom of patronage really be changing?"

The author? Why it's our old friend, Michelle Landsberg.

When the Conservatives appoint someone like Rachel Marsden to a JAC, we'll call it even.

Mike

"The Liberals have been doing this for decades, but when a Conservative does it, it's "perverted" (in the words of Ibbitson)."

So if its bad when the Liberals did it, why are the Conservatives doing it at all? At some point "Teh Liebrals did it First!!" is going to have to stop being an excuse for every half-baked action this government takes.

"Let's compare that to the actual record of the prior Liberal governments. As cited in this report, in 2003, just over half of federal Liberal appointees had donated to the Liberal party. In 2005, CanWest News Service found that more than 60% of judges appointed by the Liberals between 2000 and 2005 had donated to the Liberal party."

60% eh? How many donated to the Conservatives? How many donated to both? Would you care to then show how any of this impacts the judgments? Correlation does not mean causation. You need way more proof than these silly numbers. And a source other than the Fraser Institute, who is notorious for fudging numbers and making convenient errors in their "reports".

Sorry but these number prove nothing other than judges make political donations to the party in power. Quel Surprise!

Mike H, I call BS. According to my memory (and many history books) the Liberals were not in power in 1988. This system was brought in by Brian Mulroney. You remember him, he was a Conservative.

I also might remind you that it was these "Liberal" judges that came down with the Chaoulli decision too. Not something one would expect if they were in the pay of the Libs.

Bob, most of this was very good and very interesting, but nothing in it shows why the system we have now needs changingm - patronage yes, perhaps, but not one iota of proof that somehow this is affecting their actions on the bench.

Bob Tarantino

So if its bad when the Liberals did it, why are the Conservatives doing it at all?

I don't think it is bad - I think it's mendacious for the Globe to devote three days of hysterical coverage to the issue when they devoted precisely zero coverage to it happening under a previous government.

Would you care to then show how any of this impacts the judgments? Correlation does not mean causation.

Again, I agree. That was the point of my post: political affiliation (especially of the people on the advisory committees) has little or no bearing on the judgments which are rendered - so why is the Globe in such an all-fired snit about it? To repeat my last line: "Here's the challenge for Canada's worst newspaper: (1) identify unqualified appointees to the bench who have been appointed by this government; (2) make even a semblance of an argument as to why the political predilections of an appointee should disqualify them from appointment - an argument which does not include "because I disagree with their views". Then, and only then, would there actually be a news story here."

If the Globe is not willing or able to provide evidence of unqualified appointments, or to provide at least a vague theory as to why it is bad for a minority of Conservative partisans to be appointed to the JACs, then there's really no news story here. And if there isn't, then the Globe needs to explain why they are so het up about this issue at this moment in time, when they didn't trouble themselves with it for the previous thirteen years. The problem isn't the appointments, it's the Globe's coverage.

Mike H

"Mike H, I call BS. According to my memory (and many history books) the Liberals were not in power in 1988. This system was brought in by Brian Mulroney. You remember him, he was a Conservative."

Hmmmmmmm. I call BS on your BS, Mike.

Go back and re-read who appointed Landsberg to the JAC. That would be the " Liberal Attorney-General Ian Scott," from David Petersen's government. You remember him, he was a Liberal. Brian Mulroney had no say in her appointment.

Mike H

"60% eh? How many donated to the Conservatives? How many donated to both?"

Uhhhh, that would be "none," Mike:

"A CanWest News Service investigation published in 2005, and cited in the National Post this week, found more than 60 per cent of 93 lawyers who received federal judgeships in Ontario, Alberta and Saskatchewan since 2000 made donations to the Liberal Party, and only the Liberal Party, in the three to five years preceding their appointments."

Bob didn't quote far enough into the Montreal Gazette article to establish these 60% donated exclusively to the Liberals.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/editorial/story.html?id=0570d57f-e4e9-4bb6-bab5-0428285d2bdc

"Sorry but these number prove nothing other than judges make political donations to the party in power. Quel Surprise!"

No, these numbers point to the fact that lawyers make political donations to the party in power so they can become judges, or, alternatively, that loyal Liberal supporters who happen to be lawyers are rewarded with appointments to the bench. Care to explain why judges, already being judges and all, would find it necessary to make political donations to the party in power? Once you're a judge, you pretty much have to get caught doing home invasion robberies in order to lose your place on the bench.

"I also might remind you that it was these "Liberal" judges that came down with the Chaoulli decision too. Not something one would expect if they were in the pay of the Libs."

By the narrowest margin, 4-3, on an issue which should have been unanimous. The fact that it wasn't unanimous is evidence of the left leaning ideological bias of the SCC. How else do you explain why 3 of the justices argued in favour of socialist single tier health care, and against one of the most fundamental of human rights; the right of the individual to control how he/she obtains needed medical treatment.


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